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TRON! From what I've seen and heard, I'm jealous I haven't seen and heard the rest of it. How would you review it? Type something short and sweet in here, and we'll compile a team review for the home page news!
- Agent Smith
TRON! From what I've seen and heard, I'm jealous I haven't seen and heard the rest of it. How would you review it? Type something short and sweet in here, and we'll compile a team review for the home page news!
- Agent Smith
Discussion started by AgentSmith , on 18 December 03:52 PM
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the whole deresolution was established in the first movie (which was a Disney movie also) as was the anthropomorphic nature of the grid. Clu was limited in his programming to seek the perfect system, but perfection is unachievable. as a computer program he can't compute this because of his binary nature (perfect system or imperfect system that needs to be rectified) call it a failure of imagination on Kevin Flynn's part when he programmed CLU with such limits that he can't think outside the box.
In the first movie there was the cult of the User (programs who still believed in the almighty Users who created them) this polytheistic religion was against the Master Control Program "thinking" and folks were rounded up and derezzed. Here there is just the monotheistic (kevin) god who has been overthrown by Clu since this is an isolated server that kevin has programmed all of the components for (with the exception of the ISO which are a new lifeform)
As for the games think of it this way when a computer program on your hard drive isn't running what is it doing? on the grid they attend the games and relax at the End of Line club (just like you probably do when you aren't working you go to sports events or a bar again it gets back to the anthropomorphic nature of the grid) As for revolution since kevin programmed the system as a free and open society that spirit if you will lives on every program and they yearn for the cycle to be free of Clu's rule.
I guess if you can accept a person can be digitized and sucked into a computer you have think that computer world is going to be more of a human representation of really is.
In the first movie there was the cult of the User (programs who still believed in the almighty Users who created them) this polytheistic religion was against the Master Control Program "thinking" and folks were rounded up and derezzed. Here there is just the monotheistic (kevin) god who has been overthrown by Clu since this is an isolated server that kevin has programmed all of the components for (with the exception of the ISO which are a new lifeform)
As for the games think of it this way when a computer program on your hard drive isn't running what is it doing? on the grid they attend the games and relax at the End of Line club (just like you probably do when you aren't working you go to sports events or a bar again it gets back to the anthropomorphic nature of the grid) As for revolution since kevin programmed the system as a free and open society that spirit if you will lives on every program and they yearn for the cycle to be free of Clu's rule.
I guess if you can accept a person can be digitized and sucked into a computer you have think that computer world is going to be more of a human representation of really is.
Monday, 03 January 2011 12:48
Kudos to interbartolom for catching the allegory for the Fall of Satan and to fragilebob for the smart review. That said, I thought the movie was awful, for a number of reasons, that I don't want to go into for fear of spoiling the movie for anyone so I'll just talk about the things you're bound to see in the trailers and inconsequential things. But, please, anyone who wants to make a film about a dystopia, please, think about and rethink your characters' motivations.
First of all, I didn't think it was a good idea for Disney to pick up this movie. Like fragilebob said, I thought the disintegration of people and virtual suicide of others was a little jarring, and surprisingly violent for PG. That said, all reason for violence was totally unnecessary. (I should probably say, I haven't seen the original, but I don't think any other child going to the movie theater this weekend is going to catch up on the mythology from the 1982 film.) Why is there a colosseum? Why are programs watching this? What do programs do? We are supposed to accept that this world is a dystopia, but I haven't seen any indication that military totalitarianism prevents the programs from doing their daily routines . . . which are . . . getting captured, fighting for their "lives" against Clu, and going to a nightclub to talk about a "revolution." We don't see any evidence of anything else. There aren't any programs picking up garbage or operating the elevators. It's a dystopia. Clu=bad, Revolution=Good, although why the programs are revolting and why they would know what a revolution is at all is questionable. Aren't they designed up and down by Old Bridges and CG Bridges? How do they even know the word? All they know how to do apparently is dance and fight, which doesn't sound like a dystopia to me; it sounds like a capoeira competition.
Why is there a dystopia at all? If Clu is supposed to make and maintain a perfect system, why are the only two places we see in the film a gladiatorial colosseum and a nightclub? Don't tell me that Clu is a corrupt program because that's nonsense; Jeff Bridges as The Dude as God can't kill him without killing himself? "Radical, man!" Also, I don't expect Jeff Bridges do any fighting [he's old (See True Grit)], but he created everything on the Grid. The buildings, the programs, Clu, the machines, the motorbikes (which I'll admit are cool), he can't bend over and make a portal gun and send Clu a million . . . Gridmiles away? He can only turn the lights on and off and destroy the universe. He's God of the H-Bomb and the Clapper.
I'm sorry, but I can't accept action sequences for the sake of action sequences. Not to say the graphics and fight scenes weren't spectacular because they were. I just had a huge problem with the setting (maybe the 1982 version answers those questions) and I'm never a fan of a rich-brat-hero who rides motorcycles, base-jumps, gets the girl, and drinks Coors in his garage bachelor pad. Thanks for that product-placement, Disney.
First of all, I didn't think it was a good idea for Disney to pick up this movie. Like fragilebob said, I thought the disintegration of people and virtual suicide of others was a little jarring, and surprisingly violent for PG. That said, all reason for violence was totally unnecessary. (I should probably say, I haven't seen the original, but I don't think any other child going to the movie theater this weekend is going to catch up on the mythology from the 1982 film.) Why is there a colosseum? Why are programs watching this? What do programs do? We are supposed to accept that this world is a dystopia, but I haven't seen any indication that military totalitarianism prevents the programs from doing their daily routines . . . which are . . . getting captured, fighting for their "lives" against Clu, and going to a nightclub to talk about a "revolution." We don't see any evidence of anything else. There aren't any programs picking up garbage or operating the elevators. It's a dystopia. Clu=bad, Revolution=Good, although why the programs are revolting and why they would know what a revolution is at all is questionable. Aren't they designed up and down by Old Bridges and CG Bridges? How do they even know the word? All they know how to do apparently is dance and fight, which doesn't sound like a dystopia to me; it sounds like a capoeira competition.
Why is there a dystopia at all? If Clu is supposed to make and maintain a perfect system, why are the only two places we see in the film a gladiatorial colosseum and a nightclub? Don't tell me that Clu is a corrupt program because that's nonsense; Jeff Bridges as The Dude as God can't kill him without killing himself? "Radical, man!" Also, I don't expect Jeff Bridges do any fighting [he's old (See True Grit)], but he created everything on the Grid. The buildings, the programs, Clu, the machines, the motorbikes (which I'll admit are cool), he can't bend over and make a portal gun and send Clu a million . . . Gridmiles away? He can only turn the lights on and off and destroy the universe. He's God of the H-Bomb and the Clapper.
I'm sorry, but I can't accept action sequences for the sake of action sequences. Not to say the graphics and fight scenes weren't spectacular because they were. I just had a huge problem with the setting (maybe the 1982 version answers those questions) and I'm never a fan of a rich-brat-hero who rides motorcycles, base-jumps, gets the girl, and drinks Coors in his garage bachelor pad. Thanks for that product-placement, Disney.
Monday, 03 January 2011 10:37
I think it was visually stunning movie that needs to be seen in IMAX in 3D. The 3D is subtle and adds a layer of depth like some of the themes of the movie that I think most critics missed when they call it an incomprehensible plot. Unlike Pocohontas in space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)
On the surface it is the typical Joesph Campbell Hero's Journey: reluctant Hero (sam) gets a message(page to Alan Bradley) to set him off on his quest, meets wise old wizard (kevin) and mythical creature (Quorra) on the way to defeat the baddie (Clu) and save the kingdom along the way a lost warrior returns to the light to redeem himself. But deeper it is the primal story mix of Lucifer trying to overthrow God and rule the kingdom of heaven and Hitler trying to rule the world with his perfect solution. Clu is not some cookie cutter mustache twirling villain at his base core he is the illegitimate son trying to win the love and respect of his father and know he did right. He does what he does fanatically because he is limited by his program, he can't think outside the box and hates the Iso because they now have God's love (who also have free will like Man)
Have we solved the uncanny valley with Clu (Bridge's deaging) not completely but at the same time we know he is a program limited by that programing code so the fact he looks a little off actually works for me.
definitely go see it in the theater, the acting is not Shakespeare, but did anyone compare Mark Hamill in Star Wars to Laurence Olivier? Tron has always held a special place in my heart as that is about the time I started programing (BASIC on a TRS-80) and it showed the wonders of the inside of computer. Tron Legacy is the next evolution has us question what is digital life, with all our social and virtual interactions of cyberspace these days does our cyberself represent us or something more.
On the surface it is the typical Joesph Campbell Hero's Journey: reluctant Hero (sam) gets a message(page to Alan Bradley) to set him off on his quest, meets wise old wizard (kevin) and mythical creature (Quorra) on the way to defeat the baddie (Clu) and save the kingdom along the way a lost warrior returns to the light to redeem himself. But deeper it is the primal story mix of Lucifer trying to overthrow God and rule the kingdom of heaven and Hitler trying to rule the world with his perfect solution. Clu is not some cookie cutter mustache twirling villain at his base core he is the illegitimate son trying to win the love and respect of his father and know he did right. He does what he does fanatically because he is limited by his program, he can't think outside the box and hates the Iso because they now have God's love (who also have free will like Man)
Have we solved the uncanny valley with Clu (Bridge's deaging) not completely but at the same time we know he is a program limited by that programing code so the fact he looks a little off actually works for me.
definitely go see it in the theater, the acting is not Shakespeare, but did anyone compare Mark Hamill in Star Wars to Laurence Olivier? Tron has always held a special place in my heart as that is about the time I started programing (BASIC on a TRS-80) and it showed the wonders of the inside of computer. Tron Legacy is the next evolution has us question what is digital life, with all our social and virtual interactions of cyberspace these days does our cyberself represent us or something more.
Monday, 03 January 2011 08:53
Yeah, 3D puts me to sleep. I dozed off for a few minutes or seconds in the last twenty minutes of this one. Not that it wasn't good, its just 3D always does this to me. I have an inkling that that might have also affected my understanding and/or emotional connection to part of the plot. :P
Thursday, 23 December 2010 01:14
I'm hoping to wrangle time to see it today. I was really hoping the original would be released for stream on the Netflix instant so I can stay up late and cram a little, but - uh, change my DVD queue? Do I have to?
Great review, dude. I'm one of those guys that wants the story to match all the work that goes into the visuals, but hey. I'm still excited to see it, even though 3D often gives me a headache.
Who else has seen it?
Great review, dude. I'm one of those guys that wants the story to match all the work that goes into the visuals, but hey. I'm still excited to see it, even though 3D often gives me a headache.
Who else has seen it?
Tuesday, 21 December 2010 08:46
Ok, so the new Tron's out.
Lets start with the bad news, CG people still look like CG people. When the young Flynn smiles at you, there's just something about him that makes you want to punch him in the face. They are almost there, but its still not real, no push and pull in the flesh, no stickiness of the lips when he opens his mouth. It takes you out of the moment at times when there are close-ups and extreme expressions. Its very much like an older guy with an old facelift and too much botox, which in itself is still an amazing accomplishment.
It is, however, forgivable on two counts - It looks like a lot of work was put into it and is a definite step up from alot of other films, and for the most part, you're in a virtual world anyway, so a virtual character doesn't seem that much of a disconnect. There are, in fact, times the character seems totally believable and at other times, he is so prominent that instead the flesh and blood actors seem out of place in his presence.
That said, the story is decent. It is a classic scifi sort of story, with a lot of hype over things that seem kind of impractical, but if you let yourself fall into it and enjoy it, let yourself be a kid again, it really is great.
The effects are amazing. The disk, bike, and flyer battles are splendidly choreographed, edge of your seat eye candy.
The brutality of the other world is well-expressed. Random characters are immediately interesting and sympathizable and their deaths (disintegrations) are painful. Perhaps it's all the blue on the screen raising the oxytocin levels in your brain, but you do feel a guttural pain it every time someone is literally ripped into bits. Though the gore is of a completely different kind, it is quite graphic and gory. I almost can't believe its rated PG.
There was a particular sequence, however, when you were supposed to feel a lot for major character, but it seemed like they had glossed over the story a bit. Don't want to spoil it, so that's as much as I'll say, but pay attention and perhaps you'll get more out of the secondary story line than I did. And perhaps if you had recently watched the original, it would help (yes, there are a lot of pertinent continuing story-lines, one of the reasons it is very cool)
Regardless, there are some tear-jerkers even for the most skeptical of watchers.
All in all, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is as good as the original. You can never go home again. But then again, in several ways, it surpasses it. It still has that ominous epic feel and nearly tangible quality that made the original great. Overall, an amazing feat.
Lets start with the bad news, CG people still look like CG people. When the young Flynn smiles at you, there's just something about him that makes you want to punch him in the face. They are almost there, but its still not real, no push and pull in the flesh, no stickiness of the lips when he opens his mouth. It takes you out of the moment at times when there are close-ups and extreme expressions. Its very much like an older guy with an old facelift and too much botox, which in itself is still an amazing accomplishment.
It is, however, forgivable on two counts - It looks like a lot of work was put into it and is a definite step up from alot of other films, and for the most part, you're in a virtual world anyway, so a virtual character doesn't seem that much of a disconnect. There are, in fact, times the character seems totally believable and at other times, he is so prominent that instead the flesh and blood actors seem out of place in his presence.
That said, the story is decent. It is a classic scifi sort of story, with a lot of hype over things that seem kind of impractical, but if you let yourself fall into it and enjoy it, let yourself be a kid again, it really is great.
The effects are amazing. The disk, bike, and flyer battles are splendidly choreographed, edge of your seat eye candy.
The brutality of the other world is well-expressed. Random characters are immediately interesting and sympathizable and their deaths (disintegrations) are painful. Perhaps it's all the blue on the screen raising the oxytocin levels in your brain, but you do feel a guttural pain it every time someone is literally ripped into bits. Though the gore is of a completely different kind, it is quite graphic and gory. I almost can't believe its rated PG.
There was a particular sequence, however, when you were supposed to feel a lot for major character, but it seemed like they had glossed over the story a bit. Don't want to spoil it, so that's as much as I'll say, but pay attention and perhaps you'll get more out of the secondary story line than I did. And perhaps if you had recently watched the original, it would help (yes, there are a lot of pertinent continuing story-lines, one of the reasons it is very cool)
Regardless, there are some tear-jerkers even for the most skeptical of watchers.
All in all, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is as good as the original. You can never go home again. But then again, in several ways, it surpasses it. It still has that ominous epic feel and nearly tangible quality that made the original great. Overall, an amazing feat.
Monday, 20 December 2010 08:13